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Post by Cookie Dough on Nov 3, 2015 18:53:22 GMT
As of now, this is how it's going down
- You have 24hrs to start your barn, if you fail to start within 24 hrs you are auto skipped.
- Depending on how many barns get completed its going to be a continuous rolling update. As is, two folks will be up, first to show up starts, level, barn size, etc.. Is irrelevant
- ORDER
#1. Cindy (has requested to be removed from TB) #2. Lyn #3. Shelly #4. Lucia #5. Lola (on auto skip) #6. Karen #7. Chantal #8. Ann #9. Erna #10. Peter #11. Andrea #12. Matt #13. Mickie #14. Fiona
- On weekends we will slow down, like we used to WAY back in the day because it's the weekend.
- If you never see certain folks who in chat, someone from team bolt needs to hold that persons item and keep passing them on if they to never see a certain person.
Ready. Set. Go.
Note from Ann: This post has also been placed at the beginning of the BARN EXPANSION REPORTING thread to give everyone an additional place in which to keep up with the list. If Matt makes changes on this post, I will also edit the duplicate on the other thread.
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Post by lolamcmurphy on Nov 4, 2015 2:20:38 GMT
I am happy with my barn size at the moment. I would like to pass my upgrade to players whose barn sizes are not as big. I am not skipping, just passing an upgrade. Will this be a problem?
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Post by Cookie Dough on Nov 4, 2015 9:29:45 GMT
To much hassle Lola and truthfully un-fair to everyone else who's on the list who isn't getting the 2nd upgrade every round. if you're fine with your barn size. Then you will be placed on auto skip till you request to expand again.
OP has been updated.
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Post by andrea on Nov 4, 2015 15:18:51 GMT
Who said its unfair? I vote yes! i think LOla has every right to pass her expansion to someone else who she feels needs it more than her.
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Post by riverrat939 on Nov 4, 2015 15:59:30 GMT
Not sure I understand the "2nd upgrade every round" part of your answer, Matt. Everyone gets a chance at one upgrade per round whenever it occurs, don't they?
Sometimes it just isn't convenient when someone's turn comes up. We are allowed to skip completely, if we wish, and wait until the next round. Right? Otherwise, I see no problem with passing one's turn and dropping to the end of the list before we start the next round with #1. Does this make any sense to anyone besides me?
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Post by riverrat939 on Nov 4, 2015 16:03:45 GMT
We need to define "passing" an upgrade as opposed to "skipping" an upgrade.
May I suggest that "passing" means you don't want to take a turn right now in the current round and are willing to drop to the last position on the list for the current round round. "Skipping" means just that. You skip; you wait until the next round to have a turn.
If everyone reports in the BARN EXPANSION THREAD, as requested, it shouldn't be difficult to see who has had a turn and who hasn't.
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TEAM BOLT
Nov 4, 2015 16:16:10 GMT
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Post by andrea on Nov 4, 2015 16:16:10 GMT
Ann! That's a great idea!! Mum passed and can take her turn at the end of the round when she's back on vacation.
Also, Lola meant gift her upgrade to someone with a smaller barn than her, I don't have a problem with that
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Post by riverrat939 on Nov 4, 2015 16:23:35 GMT
Ok. So now we need to understand the meaning of gifting, as opposed to passing. If one gifts a turn, does that mean they move to the end of the line or will they have to wait until the next round to take a turn?
Passing, gifting, skipping, and upgrading. We need to define gifting and passing. I'm not sure if Lola would eventually like a turn this round or not. Is her passing the same as skipping or is it just moving down the list for this round?
I'm repeating myself, but I really don't know exactly what "not skipping but passing an upgrade on to someone else" means in the long run. Take a turn later in the round or skip until the next round?
We need to figure this out, folks. Anyone at all can chime in so we can be consistent with our terms.
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TEAM BOLT
Nov 4, 2015 18:22:53 GMT
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Post by Cookie Dough on Nov 4, 2015 18:22:53 GMT
Not sure I understand the "2nd upgrade every round" part of your answer, Matt. Everyone gets a chance at one upgrade per round whenever it occurs, don't they? Sometimes it just isn't convenient when someone's turn comes up. We are allowed to skip completely, if we wish, and wait until the next round. Right? Otherwise, I see no problem with passing one's turn and dropping to the end of the list before we start the next round with #1. Does this make any sense to anyone besides me? In this scenario Lola is "up" she gifts her Barn to say you, we then upgrade your barn, then go to Karen & Chantal, then you're back up. We never did anything of the sort back in the day, you were fine with your size you just were on auto-pilot but you didn't lose your spot and the next person was up and the person who skipped just kicked their bem into the pot. In the Lola scenario, you for example expand, then go again after K & C and Erna and Peter are then regulated to waiting further. You in essence are expanding twice that round.
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TEAM BOLT
Nov 4, 2015 19:20:46 GMT
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Post by andrea on Nov 4, 2015 19:20:46 GMT
Since Lola contributes, if she wants to take her expansion and use the bems on someone else's smaller barn, I don't have a problem with her or anyone gifting their turn to a friend with a smaller barn. I can see how it might not be fair if Lola gifted her turn to me, bc that would use up way more bems, but a smaller barn shouldn't be an issue
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Post by andrea on Nov 4, 2015 19:21:56 GMT
Expanding- taking your turn in order Passing- taking your turn at the end of the round Skipping- not taking your turn at all Gifting- skipping, but giving your turn to friend with a smaller barn
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Post by riverrat939 on Nov 4, 2015 19:56:34 GMT
Not sure I understand the "2nd upgrade every round" part of your answer, Matt. Everyone gets a chance at one upgrade per round whenever it occurs, don't they? Sometimes it just isn't convenient when someone's turn comes up. We are allowed to skip completely, if we wish, and wait until the next round. Right? Otherwise, I see no problem with passing one's turn and dropping to the end of the list before we start the next round with #1. Does this make any sense to anyone besides me? In this scenario Lola is "up" she gifts her Barn to say you, we then upgrade your barn, then go to Karen & Chantal, then you're back up. We never did anything of the sort back in the day, you were fine with your size you just were on auto-pilot but you didn't lose your spot and the next person was up and the person who skipped just kicked their bem into the pot. In the Lola scenario, you for example expand, then go again after K & C and Erna and Peter are then regulated to waiting further. You in essence are expanding twice that round. Cookie Dough Matt, I never thought of it the way you described it. No. No. No. No. I agree that a person should have only one turn per round. If Lola wishes to "pass" on her turn when it arrives, then I have no problem with that at all, with the caveat that Lola moves to the end of the line for this round, if she decides she does want to upgrade. She would then stays in that position for the next round. No one, but no one, gets two turns in one round. Period. If she decides to just plain "skip" her turn in a round, then she stays in her position for the next round. I guess I'm saying that if someone wants to "pass" their turn in a round, then that person can still upgrade but after everyone else on the list has chosen what they're going to do - upgrade, skip, or pass. (Let's drop gifting. That can become too, too confusing if one decides to "gift" someone else specifically.) For example, Mum is out of town and has passed. If she returns before we are ready to start Round 2, then I think that she should be able to take a turn at the end of the line. To me, passing is saying "I want to go last in a particular round." Skipping is saying that "I don't want to upgrade at all in this round. Move on to the next person, but I will sty in my numbered position." I will be happy to put what round we're on in the Barn Expansion Reporting thread. If we're ready to move on to Round 2 and if no one who has "passed" steps up when we get to the end of Round 1, then they can be considered to have "skipped" that round. Comments? This is a discussion. Bottom line for me: It would be so much simpler if we kept it to upgrade or skip, just as we used to do. I do not like the idea of gifting a turn to anyone specifically; and it would, without a doubt, become too confusing. Someone has to keep up with the order of it all, and some things just aren't worth doing to those who are in charge with keeping the order.
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Post by riverrat939 on Nov 4, 2015 20:05:51 GMT
Andrea, I do like your definitions. Short and sweet.
After giving it much thought, I think "gifting" would become very problematic for the order keepers. It is also not fair to gift to someone specifically if we are a team, so how would a gift be handled? That would essentially give a member two turns in one round, as Matt said. In the interest of fairness, I do not like that scenario.
It matters not what size barn one has if we are all on a team. If someone's barn is large and if they wish to not take BEM when it's their turn, then they can skip and we can move on as usual.
Some people never skip, but that can't be helped. A lot of us do skip, thereby saving BEM for those with smaller barns.
The one constant in all of this is that one must give in order to receive.
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TEAM BOLT
Nov 4, 2015 22:36:54 GMT
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Post by Cookie Dough on Nov 4, 2015 22:36:54 GMT
Since Lola contributes, if she wants to take her expansion and use the bems on someone else's smaller barn, I don't have a problem with her or anyone gifting their turn to a friend with a smaller barn. I can see how it might not be fair if Lola gifted her turn to me, bc that would use up way more bems, but a smaller barn shouldn't be an issue Problem is as Ann saud it becomes far to problematic. In theory we start from top, we get to a gifter, they 'gift' their bem to a person, say, again Ann, (and then we have to inform said gifter their turn is up, who do they wanna gift BEM to, what happens if nobody can catch that person for 12-14 hours) then Ann gets expanded then Karen & Chantal are up, say Chantal pops on first, she igets done, then Karen and Ann are up, Ann is busy, then Karen comes on and she skips, then what? Ann is up but so is Erna, Erna starts and Ann can't catch her, miraculously Erna expands and she then tells Peter he's up as order follows, then Peter / Ann are up, Ann jumps on, Peter is left wondering how did Ann start now that Erna has gone. It's simply put to much happening, if you skipped back in day you skipped, if you wanted to take hiatus from expanding you took hiatus. As the OP showed I took a 2-3 month hiatus from team bolt way back then and Karen, Tina, Ada, KarenK all kept trying to have me go and did so again when I was trading BEM for Food to you and Mickie, I wasn't gifting my turns to anyone, I simply was out of rotation and giving you guys my BEM for food and TB just kept plugging along with the same order.
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Post by riverrat939 on Nov 4, 2015 23:57:40 GMT
Since Lola contributes, if she wants to take her expansion and use the bems on someone else's smaller barn, I don't have a problem with her or anyone gifting their turn to a friend with a smaller barn. I can see how it might not be fair if Lola gifted her turn to me, bc that would use up way more bems, but a smaller barn shouldn't be an issue Problem is as Ann saud it becomes far to problematic. In theory we start from top, we get to a gifter, they 'gift' their bem to a person, say, again Ann, (and then we have to inform said gifter their turn is up, who do they wanna gift BEM to, what happens if nobody can catch that person for 12-14 hours) then Ann gets expanded then Karen & Chantal are up, say Chantal pops on first, she igets done, then Karen and Ann are up, Ann is busy, then Karen comes on and she skips, then what? Ann is up but so is Erna, Erna starts and Ann can't catch her, miraculously Erna expands and she then tells Peter he's up as order follows, then Peter / Ann are up, Ann jumps on, Peter is left wondering how did Ann start now that Erna has gone. It's simply put to much happening, if you skipped back in day you skipped, if you wanted to take hiatus from expanding you took hiatus. As the OP showed I took a 2-3 month hiatus from team bolt way back then and Karen, Tina, Ada, KarenK all kept trying to have me go and did so again when I was trading BEM for Food to you and Mickie, I wasn't gifting my turns to anyone, I simply was out of rotation and giving you guys my BEM for food and TB just kept plugging along with the same order. Oh, Matt. When you put it that way . . . I am laughing so hard that I can't even see. Let's just take our upgrades or skip, as we used to do. If we confuse the issue with gifting or passing, I won't be able to keep up for sure. As far as I'm concerned, if one passes, it's the same as a skip. Gifting to someone specific is just too much for me, especially when we're not in chat at the same and since we no longer use the forum as we once did. I am certainly not saying that I'm taking over this team, but I am volunteering to try to keep the upgrade order straight. My vote? Two choices: either expand or skip and report which you did. It worked well before; it can work again. If someone wants out, that's fine. They can always ask to come back at any time. We need to draw some conclusions soon and end this confusion.
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Post by Chantal on Nov 5, 2015 17:20:14 GMT
I think it's very sweet, the idea of passing/gifting, but I think that when we put it in practice it might be quite confusing (hence Matt's post! ) Personally I'd say we should keep it to the way it was. You either take your turn or skip. The smaller barns will be up within a few days anyway. I think we should keep it simple or we gonna mess up the order. And if there's a baby barn that really needs an upgrade for some reason we can make an exception, we did that before with newer members with baby barns, that we squeezed them in for a round. Just my 2 cents. I'm not holding a whip or something so feel free to disagree with me
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Post by Ozparissky on Nov 6, 2015 21:45:21 GMT
Wow just wow. All that up there Just keep it simple folks - if you don't want to go just skip and go to the end of the queue. If you don't show up, then you wait till its your turn again. Simples...
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Post by lolamcmurphy on Nov 9, 2015 19:07:29 GMT
Should have checked out my original post a little bit ago. Didn't mean to start a big discussion. I was only thinking that if our smaller barns got to go a little more often, they would have an additional turn in rotation. I think we should keep it as is because it probably would become too confusing.
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Post by riverrat939 on Nov 10, 2015 0:14:08 GMT
Lisa, your idea was certainly worth discussing; but in the long run, it would have been too confusing for someone to keep order and be fair to everyone. So we decided to continue the way it has always been done. Yes, many of us with larger barns do skip quite often, so I think it all works out in the end.
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Post by The crazy aussie on Nov 29, 2015 2:45:39 GMT
Expanding- taking your turn in order Passing- taking your turn at the end of the round Skipping- not taking your turn at all Gifting- skipping, but giving your turn to friend with a smaller barn Sorry Andrea, just found this post. Thx didn't know about passing. ?
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